No Pyro night

[Dominator]

So I was talking to Liquid and others who are really annoyed with the pyro noob class and we thought about having a {TD} No Pyro night

what do you guys think, I'm going to put the class limited plugin back on and I really don't care what people say or think as there have been an average of five pyros per team and its getting annoying to the point where I just stop playing.

Having a no pyro night might releave some stress maybe and make the game more enjoyable.

[Stobbin]

One pyro per team.  Max.  Every single day.  24/7/365/4,983,384,986

[Combat Wombat]

One pyro per team.  Max.  Every single day.  24/7/365/4,983,384,986

I have to agree with Stobbin on this.

[Kelreth]

If there is a no pyro night can spys be turned off as well?

Cause if I have to dodge hoards of spys with out being able to light their skinny asses on fire, im def going to go get destroy in tribes 2 or something.

Pyros are favored by noobs and thus are abused, but spys are more annoying, to me at least. I like playing as the ganking pyro, nothing like taking out a group of enemies who aren't paying attention to their backs

[TripleZM]

If there is a no pyro night can spys be turned off as well?

Cause if I have to dodge hoards of spys with out being able to light their skinny asses on fire, im def going to go get destroy in tribes 2 or something.

Pyros are favored by noobs and thus are abused, but spys are more annoying, to me at least. I like playing as the ganking pyro, nothing like taking out a group of enemies who aren't paying attention to their backs

Err... You kinda just called yourself one of those pyros dude . Spies are NOWHERE near as annoying as pyros. Spies can't do shit to you if they can't get to your back, whilst if a backburner pyro can't get to your back, all they need to do is rush in and hold mouse1 to counter that problem

There are other ways to spy check. Spies aren't overpowered, you don't always need a pyro. As long as you can make your lazy ass to turn around now and again, they won't be much of a nusense.

Besides, the whole point I wanted a pyro limit was to actually give the spy a chance. Why screw that up?

[Crit Goes Where?!?]

I unno.  Two pyros on a team would be good tops.  Is there a way to make it so that the class limit is changed based on how many people are on a team cause if so that would work best, imo.

[Avant-Garde Ninja]

There is an exploit running around that involves some class limit plug-ins and being able to play multiple classes at the same time. (i.e. A scout with a flamethrower.)

Just thought I should point that out, just in case we get someone who knows how to exploit it on the server. I won't post how to do it for obvious reasons, and I'm not entirely sure which plug-ins can be abused.

[Kenyan Bee Thief]

I don't like pyros, but I wouldn't take a class out of the game, even if it's only 1 night a week.
maybe just limit it a little instead.

[Mr.MiYuggi]

i'm all for the limit i like to play pyro,but 5 on one team is way too much.a cap of 2 max would be awesome.

[Kulaman]

Taking out Pyros is like disabling the Pulse Rifle 'nades in AvP2!
only it's an entire character class.

[Mama Luigi]

2 pyros per team would be nice.

[{TD}YautjaLanu]

Hnmm I say let's try it out if's its fun without it keep it.

[Boba fett]

Yea max 2.

(Does admin still have the hability to change class and kick other people from pyro? I like to burn kenyan.... And yes, I will play again soon my friends! Starting this night!)

[Undakada (UOM)]

I don't like pyros, but I wouldn't take a class out of the game, even if it's only 1 night a week.
maybe just limit it a little instead.

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[Kelreth]

a limit would be cool, and i like boba's idea of admins being able to kick people from the pyro though that might be a little excessive

If there is a no pyro night can spys be turned off as well?

Cause if I have to dodge hoards of spys with out being able to light their skinny asses on fire, im def going to go get destroy in tribes 2 or something.

Pyros are favored by noobs and thus are abused, but spys are more annoying, to me at least. I like playing as the ganking pyro, nothing like taking out a group of enemies who aren't paying attention to their backs

Err... You kinda just called yourself one of those pyros dude . Spies are NOWHERE near as annoying as pyros. Spies can't do shit to you if they can't get to your back, whilst if a backburner pyro can't get to your back, all they need to do is rush in and hold mouse1 to counter that problem

There are other ways to spy check. Spies aren't overpowered, you don't always need a pyro. As long as you can make your lazy ass to turn around now and again, they won't be much of a nusense.

Besides, the whole point I wanted a pyro limit was to actually give the spy a chance. Why screw that up?

Dom stabs a knife into my ass even if I'm a pyro, but maybe my dislike of spys is simply from dom knifing me often when I play pyro and end up near him

[Dominator]

Lol sorry,

If valve made it so that their backs would be bigger than normal or even the same size as everyone else I wouldn't mind so much because its seriously ridiculous how small their "backs" are.  One time I went to stab a pyro sitting still from a slight angel and it didn't work, then he came back to the keyboard and killed me.  I was like wow that's it....

[Kelreth]

Lol sorry,

If valve made it so that their backs would be bigger than normal or even the same size as everyone else I wouldn't mind so much because its seriously ridiculous how small their "backs" are.  One time I went to stab a pyro sitting still from a slight angel and it didn't work, then he came back to the keyboard and killed me.  I was like wow that's it....

lol its all good, part of the game. Are pyro backs really that small?

O and I won't complain  about a pyro cap limit until both the pyros on my team are noobs and ill take a heavy and have him cry in the corner somewhere XD

[Crit Goes Where?!?]

I find this relevant:
http://www.ubercharged.net/2008/07/25/players-you-dont-want-on-your-team-fortress-2-team-complainers/

[Stobbin]

I agree with the title of the post.  Along with everything that doesn't apply to pyros.

Never played TFC.   Posting any more will make me seem like a complainer.

[Dominator]

I don't see demoman being over powered, I mean yea it sucks when your an engie and then all of a sudden you see six stickies around you (piss) or when you turn a corner and see them out of the corner of your eye and your like fuck, but a demo grenade doesn't keep hurting you after it explodes.

When the pyro did have +50 health that was insane but now they also did change the angles the pyro has to be to get crits with the back burner.  There's always gonna be complainers like me bitching about pyro class because it is what it is, it's part of the game but it's part of the game that makes me stop playing.  If valve doesn't do something about this then I will and I really don't care anymore if noob A or noob B complains that they can't play pyro.  Most of the time I get more bitching about pyros being noobs.

It's gotten to the point where the first solution to avoid pyros was to completely avoid them with spy.  Now that the pyros know about that it's now unlikely you get by them whether if you are running around cloaked your someone on your team is a dumbass following you, or your just walking around cloaked and a pyro thought a butterfly was a spy, or you try your hardest to get past one be some how he danced like an idiot and walked into you.  It just gets really frustrating, maybe i need to fap fap fap.

[Kelreth]

I don't see demoman being over powered, I mean yea it sucks when your an engie and then all of a sudden you see six stickies around you (piss) or when you turn a corner and see them out of the corner of your eye and your like fuck, but a demo grenade doesn't keep hurting you after it explodes.

you can lob them over walls and around corners though. which is im guessing why people think its over powered, not even being able to see the enemy but having them bomb you to hell can be annoying.

lol this is what i need to learn

[Dominator]

True Kelreth but how many times do people randomly burst into flames without a pyro knowing they were there?

[Crit Goes Where?!?]

I think there needs to be more incentive to use the regular flame thrower.  I've been using it for months but I'm only now getting good with it.  It needs another affect like putting out flames on your team or have a bigger area of deflection.

[Dominator]

The pyro air blast is nice like deflecting rockets and demoman stuff but then it also sucks for them making pyros harder to kill but I think the air blast should also be able to put out flames on your teammates, that would be cool.  You can also camp in front of sentry's and just blow shit away wich is good and bad.

[Combat Wombat]

Maybe what needs to happen is people need to start playing Medic more. A good medic can save a lot of people from burning to death, and I've often noticed that even in large games (10 on 10 or so) no one plays medic much.

[Dominator]

They really don't and medic is a powerful class, especially if they are around for the right moments they can really carry a team.  Also a good way to beat a pyro is to use the medics upgraded gun

[LiquidSnake]

i play demoman all the time and theres no way id say its overpowered. it usually takes 2 direct hits and a non direct hit to kill a pyro with grenades. it takes about 4 stickies to destroy an unmanned sentry, which getting them there is not always easy. they made changes to the demo stickes so theyre easier to destroy too. i think its time for an update that either changes the time it takes for a pyro to ignite someone or add a counter weapon to the flames (other than the medic).

[Kelreth]

True Kelreth but how many times do people randomly burst into flames without a pyro knowing they were there?

uhh if i do it right, quite a few. though its my general play style to flank the enemy, so its not uncommon for me to surprise people with almost any class (minues soldier, engi and medic)

[Dominator]

Hmmm

And yes I don't even play demo man anymore because ill turn around and nail a pyro directly with a grenade which also does damage to me and then I'm flamed down.  It's mostly because certain maps are closed in and pyros were made for close combat which is why I'm starting to like Orange_x4

On dustbowl, 2fort and maps like that I end up fighting fire with fire.

[Alfalfa]

Enjoy your constant paranoia

[Kenyan Bee Thief]

it usually takes 2 direct hits and a non direct hit to kill a pyro with grenades. it takes about 4 stickies to destroy an unmanned sentry, which getting them there is not always easy. they made changes to the demo stickes so theyre easier to destroy too.

In my experience, pyros die to 2 direct hits with the grenade launcher unless overhealed, or before the nerf if they had a backburner.  Also, it takes 3 stickies to kill a level 3 sentry.  I'm not saying I feel that demo is overpowered, just that he's by no means weak.

Sometimes, however, I get hit with 1 non-crit nade while playing a 125 health class and die instantly.  It's quite possible I'm just imagining it and had a tiny bit of spray damage on me, though.  Can anyone back me up or set me straight on this?


Back on topic: I don't like pyros but I wouldn't dream of turning them off, and I wouldn't limit them much, either.  They've got their place, and I honestly love giving them ubercharges too.

[Dominator]

Yea it pretty much went to me going back to playing pyro and heavy and me and liquid were pwning last night so I wasn't that pissed about them anymore but instead i felt bad for the other classes,  I to get 125 health classes and get killed instantly from time to time as well.

[Combat Wombat]

I just meleed a few pyros last night and it made me feel better. In slightly unrelated news, I bonesawed a sentry to death.

[Kelreth]

In slightly unrelated news, I bonesawed a sentry to death.

win?

[Combat Wombat]

It was exciting.